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Comprando al xolo en México / Buying a xolo in Mex
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:24 am Reply with quote
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Hola a todos,

Si bien es verdad, que los perros no son mercancía en el sentido estricto de la palabra, si existe un mercado y circuitos comerciales específicos para su adquisición, esto constituye en términos generales una gran parte de una industria dedicada a las mascotas.

En el caso de la compra de cachorros de xoloitzcuintle, me gustaría brindar algunos comentarios que puedan resultar de utilidad a la hora de realizar esta divertida, pero seria tarea.

La adquisición de un cachorro, debe darse siempre en las condiciones más relajadas posibles, sin impulsos, ni apresuramientos. Se debe investigar lo más posible sobre el ejemplar y la raza, observando que nuestra elección combine con nuestras actividades y estilo de vida. En el caso del xoloitzcuintle, aunque tiene muchísimas ventajas hay que mencionar que esta magnifica raza, puede no llegar a ser la indicada para toda la gente. Para definir el temperamento del xoloitzcuintle, hay que pensar en sentido contrario a lo que es un pastor alemán, que aprende y responde a comandos casi militares. Si lo que buscamos, es un perro que sea amigo de todos por igual, el xolo tampoco ajusta 100% con esta descripción. Pero, si lo que queremos es mucha diversión, actividad y excelente compañía, entonces el xolo es para nosotros. El xolo como muchas otras razas se puede y debe ser entrenado, pero los métodos serán diferentes y personalizados para cada individuo. Los gritos y la fuerza bruta no funcionan con esta raza y su aprendizaje esta basado en comenzar a muy temprana edad, en las rutinas y las repeticiones.

Después, se debe elegir donde comprar, y si se busca un cachorro o un ejemplar de mayor edad. En general, se tiene muy estigmatizado el adquirir un perro que no sea cachorro, pues se piensa que pueden tener vicios o malas mañas. Esto no siempre es verdad, y dependerá mucho del tipo de crianza que el ejemplar haya tenido desde su nacimiento. Para esto en particular, es aconsejable acudir con criadores especializados y no a criaderos, ya que en muchas ocasiones estos últimos pierden de vista el tratamiento personalizado y son superados por su gran población. Suponiendo que todo se haya dado de la forma más correcta y responsable, la edad del perro no debe representar ningún obstáculo para integrarlo a nuestra familia.

En la búsqueda del cachorro, lo más recomendable es adquirirlo de las manos de criadores especializados. Las tiendas de mascotas y los tianguis han demostrado ser las formas más inseguras. Para encontrar al criador, se debe acudir siempre a las instituciones y medios de comunicación especializados en cada raza o en general que promuevan los valores de la canofília.

En México, la Federación Canófila Mexicana, es el organismo rector para todos los criadores de perros de raza pura y como parte de su servicios proporciona una lista de criadores a los compradores interesados. Una vez, ubicados los criadores, lo aconsejable es visitarlo y conocer sus ejemplares. En el caso de las razas de crianza a pequeña escala como el xoloitzcuintle, existen pocos criadores o criaderos verdaderos, y son más los aficionados que regularmente cuentan con camadas. Lo más recomendable es adquirir nuestro ejemplar de la persona que nos parezca más preparada evaluando los resultados de sus perros y su conocimiento sobre el tema.

Los criadores mexicanos pueden ser muy diferentes entre si, y en esta diversidad se encuentra el espíritu de cada línea o familia de xolos que poseen. Existen los que se concentran únicamente en los shows y las pistas, los que crían solo con parejas de ejemplares sin pelo, los que han valorado y aceptado las dos variedades de la raza, también los que piensan al xolo como un elemento cultural y algunos otros que no les interesan los registros, ni mucho menos las exposiciones. Lo más recomendable es siempre comprar ejemplares registrados, ya que esto habla de dedicación y compromiso por parte de sus criadores.

Los mejores ejemplares siempre provienen de familias trabajadas, campeones o no campeones, y aunque el circuito de expositores en México es muy reducido, eso no limita, ni el número de ejemplares certificados, ni la calidad de la líneas mexicanas.

Es altamente recomendable, solicitar o desarrollar siempre un contrato de compra-venta, en donde vengan especificadas las garantías de salud y expectativas sobre el futuro del cachorro. Un buen criador estará siempre para asistirnos en temas de comportamiento, estética, desarrollo y algunas veces hasta en salud. Aunque también, es muy importante elegir un buen médico.

Como siempre, estas líneas solo abren la puerta a los comentarios de mis colegas foristas, así que esperamos ansiosamente sus participaciones.

Saludos a todos

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:07 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, Gabriel, this topic is very important, I think, especially for foreign people as I am. From myself, I might add that there are much more difficulties in this process, begining from the search information and ending with puppy delivery and preparing its documents.
I spent much time finging the puppy. The majority of information was very conrtoversial (you know better everything about "breeders wars"), and it was very difficult to decide about country and kennel...
And the question of delivery was very important to me - because of I was totally against from receiving puppy in luggage space of plane...
I would like to know different opinions in this shield, especially by breeders.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:41 pm Reply with quote
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Well the best thing in this case would be, in my opinion, to hire a pet travel agency, through here: http://www.ipata.com/ also... I think there's a new pet airline but I'm not sure how it's called.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:22 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks for opening this topic Mestre, it is very interesting!

I agree with Lizzy... A Pet Travel agency will make things easier!!
Because some countries ask for certain paper work and health examinationsor a quarantine in order to allow a dog to enter the country.
Some paper works or health examinations can take a long time, like the rabies test, slowing things down. But, a good breeder will have all the paper work on time.

And I totally agree with Mestre...
When one is about to buy a puppy, show or pet, in ones hometown or abroad, we have to think carefully in order to make the right choise!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:18 pm Reply with quote
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Hello Elena,

I really don't know what you mean regarding a "Breeders-War"? at least in Mexico we don't have such a thing!

As far as I know all well known Mexican xolo breeders works together in a way or another within the same net and that is the Mexican Kennel Club (FCM). Where you can check up background results and continuity of each one of us. The people at the FCM is very friendly and some does speak fluent English you can call or write them.

Unfortunately not every Mexican breeders collaborated successfully to each other and nor either to other breeders abroad but it happen in every dog breed. What I can tell you is that there are more good experiences than bad ones achieved. The most popular xoloitzcuintle kennels around the world are working with Mexican lines from different breeders and that's the living proof of it is possible.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:31 pm Reply with quote
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I think Elena was referring to competition between the nursery? Sometimes breeders do not understanding .... Sometimes successful collaboration hinder personal relationships ....
It is not always possible to be correct and diplomatic.
I hope I understood correctly?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:06 pm Reply with quote
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Hi Perla Negra,

I think you are right, the breeding activity is a competition itself!

We breeders must to competes generation after generation against disease, conformation or temper faults. All these are regular facts within lines of pure breed dogs. And it happen generation after generation of dogs.


Also I think that Elena's perception is very valuable too as it can work as a thermometer of what's on today at the xolo kennels and breeders world?.

Maybe is correct to believe that there is a war of breeders out there, as many poor minded people is always talking bullshit on others, specially amateurs breeders who needs to do it in order to get some attention and specially new puppy buyers. Also we have seen old breeders that doesn't likes when their Multi Champ dogs losses in a special show and try to find in others people a guiltier who carries on such a responsibility.

Both mentioned examples are so wrong because are based on envy and jealousy and it takes a lot of time and energy from the important subject here, the breeding. Yes, bad words can hurt people. But the most harmful things are true facts that comes from the show results and other statistics. Specially when results comes from important shows where a lot of xolos from all kennels were entered or when a beautiful litter get born and has a lot of potential.

Lets recall that every kind of breeder is going to find their own kind of puppy buyer. As I have wrote in other post, to be an excellent buyer is a full time responsibility. Good buyers respect breeders because they makes things much easier for them. Excellent buyers gets the knowledge first and buy later, they respect breeders because they knows how things are and approve their procedures.

best wishes to all

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Thanks everybody for answering. I don't want to offend anybody, but I have a negative experience of communication with russian breeders, and their communication between each other. That is what I had in mind when I talk about "breeder-wars" (as PerlaNegra understood correctly). There are quite enough existing unscrupulous breeders in dog-world - not only in xolo-world; Gabriel, you are right - this is a common problem. I am very impressed with your opinion.
I totally argee that putting the advanced information, choosing the breeder and buying the puppy - it is a big responsibility for buyers, first of all. And I think I was very lucky, wnen I was finding the puppy I have met very literate and skilled people, new friends and responsible breeder, who helped me in all respects - from advise during the choosing to arranging of delivery pup with least harm to the puppy (it was very important to me, you remember! Smile ).
But I don't like the situation in Russia and it is very sad. Sad

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:24 am Reply with quote
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As far as I know there are conflicts between breeders in every dog breed and country. Unfortunately xolo breeders are not an exception. People who likes gossip, talking bullshit and make bad reputation on other breeders does it because is the only way for them to get some money from puppies. Nothing more.

I do recommend to stay away of those who likes to play politics but don't know how. Sooner or later their bullshit can reach you too.

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Gabriel Mestre wrote:
I do recommend to stay away of those who likes to play politics but don't know how. Sooner or later their bullshit can reach you too.


I agree with you Gabriel!
As I have some experience of such attitudes.

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I agree as well with what Mestre said, Vladimir...
What I've learned in the xolo-world is not to trust in everybody untill they prove that you can trust in them. It was a hard lesson, but I also met many nice people who really loves and care for the breed, and also I met great friends Very Happy

Even thought the mexican xolo community is splited and some people think they are so great and they are the best, I think every xolero has done important things for the breed, everyone will name their poison, call it promotion, breeding, helping newbies, etc.
I honestly don't think there are bad or good people, because in the end everybody is nice in their own way.
I guess I went a little bit over the limb here Laughing

In fewer words... I know what you ment Elena, because we are in the same situation here!! Laughing
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I think that each of us is faced with the unpleasant situation. And we all got good lessons:).
But I am convinced that good and responsive people a lot more than the bad people!
Very Happy
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That's true!
There are more responsible people than irresponsible ones Very Happy
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Yes, of course! Laughing And at this friendly note, I would like to thank very forthcoming, amieble and amicable people which I have met on my way to my puppy... My breeder Roger, Elena Swetlov (PerlaNegra), Swetlana Polyakova (kennel "S sedogo kaspiya") and others, whom advice and help were very valuable for me and it is the same now... Very Happy

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