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The changes of the Standard FCI N 234 12.01.2009
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Hello all!
In "the Standard of xolo" 12.01.2009 are brought some changes.

Old point of Standard 2007
Muzzle: Straight, seen from the side, with square, very strong upper and lower jaws.
Back: Top line perfectly straight and level. Dogs with sunken (lordosis) or arched (xifosis) backs are not desirable.

New point of Standard 2009
Muzzle : Seen from the side, the muzzle is straight and the upper and lower jaws are very strong.
Back : Top line perfectly straight and level.
FAULTS :
Addition -Sunken (lordosis) or arched (xifosis) back.
Is excluded - In the Hairless Xoloitzcuintle variety, the presence of hair in parts of the body not specified above.


According to changes from the description of "muzzle" is excluded the word "square", which concerning to jaws, in my opinion it is correct. It brought the certain bewilderment, at least, at me when I attempt to present xolo with such (square) jaws. Therefore new description "muzzle", in my opinion, is most correct. The second change is directed on the description of the back xolos. If earlier sunken (lordosis) or arched (xifosis) of the back xolos was considered as a undesirable attribute, now such of the back xolos - are considered as lack.
Ambiguously, in my opinion, exception from the list of lacks - presence of a wool on sites which are not mentioned in the standard is.
I hope very much, what it innovation will not allow when the xolos with an excessive wool will appear on dog shows.

My dear xolofriends, what do you think about it ?

Gio please translate on Spanish.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:35 pm Reply with quote
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Arrow Mensaje publicado por Vladimir (S Sedogo Kaspiya) traducido al español.

Hola a todos!
En "El Estandar del Xolo" 12.01.2009 se señalan algunos cambios.

Antiguo punto del Estandar 2007
Hocico: Recto, visto de perfil, con mandibulas superiores e inferiores fueres y cuadradas.
Espalda: Linea superior perfectamente recta y plana. Perros con espaldas hundidas (lordosis) o arqueadas (xifosis) no son deseables.

Nuevo punto del Estandar 2009
Hocico: Visto de perfil, el hocico es recto y las mandibulas superior e inferior son muy fuertes.
Espalda: Linea superior perfectamente recta y nivelada.
FALTAS :
Se Añadio
-Espaldas hundidas (lordosis) o arqueadas (Xifosis).
Se excluye -En el Xoloitzcuintle variedad sin pelo, la presencia de pelo en partes del cuerpo no especificadas.

De acuerdo a los cambios de la descripcion del "hocico" se excluye la palabra "cuadrada", que en lo que refiere a las mandibulas, en mi opinion es correcto.
Me trae cierto desconcierto, al menos, para mi cuando intento presentar un xolo con dichas mandibulas (cuadradas). Por lo tanto, la nueva descripcion del "hocico", en mi opinion, es lo correcto.
El segundo cambio esta dirigido a la descripcion de la espalda de los xolos. Si anteriormente las espaldas hundidas (lordosis) o arqueadas (xifosis) en los xolos eran consideradas indeseables, ahora esto es considerado una falta.
Ambiguamente, en mi opinion, con excepcion de la lista de faltas - la presencia de vello fino en sitios que no se mencionan en la norma lo es.
Espero mucho, que con esta inovacion no se permita a los xolos con un exceso de vello competir en exposiciones caninas.

Mis queridos xoloamigos, que piensan sobre esto?

Gio porfavor traduce al Español.
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Gio thank you very much!

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Hello Vladimir,

Thank for to brought up this matters to the group.

I do agree with you regarding the muzzle square jaws changes. "Square, very strong jaws" means strong bites aswell and there is not a point for to be mentioned at the xolo breed standard, as this is not the kind of the dog made for to hunt or prey. Even when the standard states that his function is to guard, there are many issues and natural facts against it as the characteristic lack of teeth. Any dog breed used or developed for bite sports or protection activities has not to have lack of teeth. Because, full dentition is the most important tool for a guardian dog.

Also xolo doesn't like to release his stress trough the chewing, so the jaws muscles get any exercise for to build square forms.

I was checking it at some of the past published Mexican breed standards and never before was it mentioned till the 07 edition.

Regarding the Back change, I must say that I do agree strongly, as breeders most be encourages to look for good structures. Suken or arched top lines damage seriously the breeding, so it deserve it to be considered as a very serious fault.

I'm pretty much relaxed about the extra hair, it has always happen that people shows them all the time in every country. Actually there is not a secret that the WW08 standard female is very hairy. But, normally owners of xolos whit good conformation take the time to shave them, as they know that there is not a chance to win over a true hairless or shaved ones. I know that it will be kept like that.

All best


Hola Vladimir,

Gracias por traer este tema al grupo.

Coincido contigo en cuanto a los cambios en el hocico. "Mandibulas fuertes y cuadradas" significa mordidas fuertes tambien y no tiene caso mencionarlo en el estandar del xolo, dado que este no es el tipo de perro hecho para cazar y cobrar.
Aun cuando el estandar establece su funcion de guardia, hay muchos factores naturales en contra como la falta de dientes. cualquier raza usada o criada para deportes de mordida o actividades de proteccion no tienen falta de dientes. Porque, la denticion completa es lo mas importante en un perro de guardia.

Al xolo tampoco le gusta liberar estress atravez de mascar, asi que los musculos de las mandibulas no tienen ejercicio para construir una mandibula cuadrada.

Estaba checando algunos estandares mexicanos pasados y nunca antes se menciono esto hasta la edicion de 07.

Sobre el cambio en la espalda, debo decir que tambien coincido, como criadores debemos alentarnos a buscar buenas estructuras. Espaldas arqueadas o hundidas dañan seriamente la crianza, asi que merece ser considerado una falta muy seria.

Estoy muy relajado en cuanto al pelo extra, siempre a pasado que la gente los expone todo el tiempo en todos los paises. Actualmente no es un secreto que la hembra estandar Campeona Mundial 08 es muy peluda.
Pero normalmente los dueños de xolos con buena conformacion se toman el tiempo de rasurarlos, porque ellos saben que no tienen chance de ganar sobre un verdadero sin pelo o sobre rasurados. Se que esto seguira asi.

Lo mejor

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:47 am Reply with quote
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Gracias Vladimir por sacar este tema tan interesante!

Creo que fue bueno que modificaran eso de las mandibulas, coincido contigo y Mestre en que un xolo no puede tener una mordida "fuerte y cuadrada".
Aunque el xolo si es un excelente guardian, no es un perro que destaque como perro de proteccion, por la falta de dientes en el sin pelo.

Lo de la espalda creo que fue bueno considerarlo una falta eliminatoria, pero creo que si se consideraban "indeseables" es automaticamente una falta,
bueno al menos yo asi lo veo.

Sobre el vello en el xolo sin pelo...todos sabemos que se permite pelo en cabeza, patas y cola; hay ejemplares con poco pelo de mas en cara,
no creo que tenga nada de malo rasurar la cara de un xolo, porque el que presenten pelo en la cabeza no es una falta.
En lo personal a mi me gusta presentar a mis perros con la "cara limpia", rasuro solamente bigotes y aveces los pelitos que presentan insurtos en las orejas,
dejando su copete.
Pero asi como los he presentado con "cara limpia" tambien los he presentado al natural, solo que mis perros no tienen pelo en el cuerpo.
Si se tratara de un perro con pelo en el cuerpo se debe considerar como falta, pero... que hay de los lunares de pelo??

Ustedes que piensan sobre arreglar a un xolo?


Thanks vladimir for bringing up this interesting theme!

I think that it was good that the muzzle part was modify, I agree with you and Mestre that a xolo can't have a "strong and square" bite.
Even thought a xolo is an excelent guardian, its not a dog that outstand as protection dog, for the lack of teeth in the hairless.

The back issue I think it was good to consider it as an eliminatory fault, but I think that if was considered as "unwanted" its automaticaly a fault, well that's what I feel.

About the extra hair in the hairless xolo... we all know that hair is allowed in head, feet and tail; there are dogs with very few "extra" hair on the face,
so I don't think its wrong to shave the face of a xolo, cause the presence of hair on head is not a fault.
Personally I like to show my dogs with "clean face", I shave only whiskers and sometimes the little hair on the ears, leaving their mohawk.
But I've also shown them naturaly, only that my xolos don't have hair on the body.
If we are talking about a dog with hair on the body it must be considered a fault, but... what about hair moles??

What do you think of grooming a xolo?
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Hello everybody!
I'm sure that xolos should not be shaved. That's my opinion.
I think judge is right when he withhold points completely for xolo who to have a shave.
My xolos don't have hair on the body. I have never shaved a Xolo and never will.
It is important that we have to keep our hairless xolos hairless.
Hair may be on head, feet and tail, and if they of the proper length and texture.

The best regards

Hola a todos!
Estoy seguro que los xolos no deberian ser rasurados. Esa es mi opinion.
Creo que el juez esta en lo correcto si retiene los puntos completamente para un xolo que esta rasurado.
Mis xolos no tienen un pelo en el cuerpo. Nunca he rasurado un xolo y nunca lo hare.
Es importante que mantengamos nuestros xolos pelones, pelones.
Puede haber pelo en cabeza, patas y cola, y si es de una textura y largo apropiado.

Mi mejores saludos

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I agree with you Vladimir...xolos must have hair only were thy are supposted to!
Hairless xolos should be hairless, and coated should be coated.
But I differ at some point. I like my xolos mohawk a lot, but I don't like whiskers.
When I've shown sometimes I present them with whiskers or without them, but never shave body (there's no need to hehehe)
I also think shaving "hair moles" (I don't know if it's said correctly; a hair mole is a tiny zone with short hair usually in the form of a line or circle) is not wrong (hair moles not whole body, cause that is VERY wrong), cause is just a tiny zone with hair whose prescence or abscence is irrelevant.

Estoy de acuerdo contigo Vladimir...los xolos deben tener pelo solo donde lo deben tener!
Xolos pelones deben ser pelones, y xolos peludos deben ser peludos.
Pero difiero en un punto. A mi me gusta el mohicano de mis xolos muchisimo, pero no me gustan los bigotes.
Cuando los he exhibido los presento con bigotes or sin ellos, pero nunca rasuro cuerpo (no hay necesidad jejeje)
Tambien creo que rasurar los "lunares de pelo" (no se si asi se diga; un lunar de pelo es una pequeña zona con pelo corto usualmente en forma de linea o circulo) no es malo (lunares de pelo no el cuerpo entero, porque eso es MUY malo), porque es solo una pequeña zona cuya presencia o ausencia es irrelevante.
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